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大新闻,E也开始研发虚拟化RAN产品了。无线行业俩三年内要巨变。
https://www.lightreading.com/5g/ericsson-lets-intel-inside-as-mid-band-5g-gets-cloudy/d/d-id/770367?

Ericsson lets Intel inside as mid-band 5G gets cloudy

At almost any Ericsson-equipped 5G site today, both the radio at the top of the mast and the compute gubbins at its base are supplied by the Swedish vendor. But a change that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago is now coming.

Under a deal announced today, customers deploying all-important mid-band spectrum for their 5G services will effectively be able to use general-purpose equipment based on Intel silicon instead of Ericsson's compute hardware.

Why would Ericsson offer this and potentially lose the revenues it generates from compute hardware sales? Largely because some of the world's biggest operators have been demanding "virtualized" products from their suppliers. In the traditional set-up, Ericsson's compute hardware and software are interdependent and tightly coupled. Virtualization would pry them apart and allow Intel inside, running Ericsson's software on top.

Tier 1 service providers such as Verizon, which apparently worked with Ericsson on the development of the latest products, believe virtualization will bring benefits. Hardware and software decoupling, for instance, would allow operators to set up "baseband hotels," or data facilities that aggregate the compute hardware usually installed at sites. Instead of having a baseband deployment for every cell in the network, an operator could potentially serve numerous sites with less equipment and a leaner operating model.
The familiar rebuke is that general-purpose equipment is no match for customized products on performance and energy consumption. But the gap may be shrinking. "One year ago, I wouldn't have guessed we would already be here," says Per Narvinger, Ericsson's head of product area networks. "Intel has made huge progress in the last 12 months."

Pedal to the metal for x86

Improvements have come partly thanks to RAN-optimized software libraries in Intel silicon and what are known as hardware "accelerators." These typically pair x86 processors with chips known as field programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) to improve throughput and energy consumption. Intel claims to have married the favorable elements of this FPGA technology with features of application specific integrated circuits (ASICs), the kind of customized chip found in Ericsson's traditional baseband gear.

The resulting "eASIC," according to Intel, would offload some of the compute-intensive processes, including a function known as forward error correction, to boost capacity. "General-purpose hardware has become more special purpose," says Narvinger.

Cloud RAN architecture might generate other benefits for operators, too. Even if the general-purpose hardware remains inferior to customized products on a like-for-like basis, the entire system could be more efficient. "The overall cost of operations and operational flexibility may be better in cloud RAN because you are sharing facilities, hardware and operations with other applications," says Gabriel Brown, a principal analyst with Heavy Reading.

But the appeal of Ericsson's cloud RAN products may be limited by upfront investment. The "fronthaul" connections between radios and baseband equipment need high-capacity fiber links between mobile sites and baseband hotels. Facilities are also required for those baseband hotels. "Today, cloud RAN is in play at relatively few operators," says Brown. "It hasn't quite taken off because you need a lot of investment in a switched fronthaul transport network."
Ericsson hopes to ease adoption through a software product called Cloud Link, allowing the cloud RAN to work in tandem with more traditional technology. "Operators can take something with a totally new technology and still connect it to the existing network and we call that bluefield," says Narvinger. "It is not like they have to take all the equipment they have bought from us over the years and throw that out of the window." Around 7 million radios it has already deployed could be used with the new cloud RAN products, Ericsson estimates.



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Nevertheless, another issue for Ericsson is that customers will have to wait until the second half of next year before mid-band cloud RAN is ready – an unusually long gap between a product announcement and the date of general availability. That could suit Intel's silicon roadmap and its introduction of even more capable processors under the Sapphire Rapids and Granite Rapids codenames.
Heavy Reading's Brown says this long lead time indicates Ericsson feels the need to put down a marker and make a public commitment on 5G virtualized RAN to counter competitors. But his medium-term view is that it will not leave Ericsson far behind its challengers. "Ericsson is proposing a relatively complete system," he says, citing the Cloud Link feature for interoperability with existing Ericsson deployments.

Another example is the work Ericsson is doing to optimize the cloud RAN architecture itself. "The company expects to optimize how fronthaul and the edge cloud infrastructure interwork," says Brown. "This is important for workload scaling and, in time, could see fronthaul integrated with the edge data center switching."
Virtualized, but not yet open
The deal with Intel is bound to be assessed in the context of open RAN, an initiative that aims to scrap any proprietary use of interfaces so that operators can build truly multivendor networks. An open fronthaul interface, for example, would allow Ericsson's baseband software, running on Intel's hardware, to be used in conjunction with another supplier's radios. Ericsson is stopping short of that for now.
"Everyone agrees that an important first step is to go to cloud and virtualization and that is what we are enabling," says Narvinger. "We are using the same interface that we have in purpose-built and that is why we can have this Cloud Link working. Then we will see over time what happens with open fronthaul."
Even so, Intel is not the only hardware company that stands to benefit from the launch of Ericsson's cloud RAN products. HPE has already been named as a maker of servers that will incorporate Intel's processors in the Ericsson network. "In the end, we see that our customers will procure the servers independently of us," says Narvinger. "That is disaggregation of hardware and software and that is a major technology shift."
By contrast, there is no commercial role yet for Nvidia, a designer of graphical processing units (GPUs) that was first named as a cloud RAN partner in October 2019. Narvinger insists the goal is to ensure products can eventually work on any platform in any cloud. "We have built a cloud RAN solution that we see as agnostic," he says. "You are not going to be able to support all platforms from day one."
Short of current alternative server platforms that use Arm-based processors or GPUs, Intel and x86 still look like the main beneficiaries of RAN virtualization.
This week's update should not be a massive surprise, important though it is. Ericsson had first promised cloud RAN products for mid-band deployments in October last year as a follow-up to the less-demanding low-band cloud RAN systems coming later in 2021.
"It is under-appreciated that Ericsson has been close to virtual RAN and open RAN for a long time," says Brown. "They have consistently said that if this turns out to be the best way to build a RAN, they will do it." Intel will be delighted.


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华为不支持翻不起浪花

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flydo  这帖明显是想过来带华为节奏的。有时候我真觉得那些招黑的言论是一些黑子专门帮华为招黑的。  详情 回复 发表于 2021-6-23 17:06

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  爱立信在海外市场规模很大,很有影响力

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CTUSER  五大厂商,除了菊花都开始做vRAN了! 并且三星的有了VDF UK做客户。N找了谷歌云做合作方。 E看似节奏慢些。不过至少也明确有路线图了。  详情 回复 发表于 2021-6-22 19:38

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silverbullet21 发表于 2021-6-22 17:29
老新闻了,产品被运营商骂惨了。

不对吧,自己看看,明年年底才提交产品呢,现在是开发阶段!
这是E第一次公开自己的vRAN 产品路线图。

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silverbullet21 发表于 2021-6-22 17:29
老新闻了,产品被运营商骂惨了。

Nevertheless, another issue for Ericsson is that customers will have to wait until the second half of next year before mid-band cloud RAN is ready – an unusually long gap between a product announcement and the date of general availability.

2022年底出样机。

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没有菊厂的支持,这些都是纸老虎

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这么脏的企业 讲这些不埋汰么

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爱立信在海外市场规模很大,很有影响力

五大厂商,除了菊花都开始做vRAN了!
并且三星的有了VDF UK做客户。N找了谷歌云做合作方。
E看似节奏慢些。不过至少也明确有路线图了。

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不是通信小屁民能左右的

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爱立信做CloudRAN,其实只是OpenRAN的一部分,就是BBU的硬件通用化。但是前传接口仍然坚守不开放。
至今仍然不懂爱立信和NOKIA为什么这么支持OpenRAN。在美国,前期有暗流在推美国本土OpenRAN设备优先的原则;在欧洲,做OpenRAN就是为了在爱立信、NOKIA之外准备第三家供应商。也就是爱立信和NOKIA做OpenRAN最多就是表个态,邀邀功,但是别人这么做就是要革这两家的命。

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家园会员  不管是oran也好 vran也罢。你不做别人就会抢先。 vdf uk单子就是例子,活生生的被samsung nec拿走了!爱立信也很无奈。  详情 回复 发表于 2021-6-22 22:20

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wqfreebird 发表于2021-06-22 21:30:22 <p>爱立信做CloudRAN,其实只是OpenRAN的一部分,就是BBU的硬件通用化。但是前传接口...

你说的很对,vran和open ran还是有很大区别的,爱立信做的是虚拟化,云化,可以远端安装配置,但接口不会开放的

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wqfreebird 发表于 2021-6-22 21:30
爱立信做CloudRAN,其实只是OpenRAN的一部分,就是BBU的硬件通用化。但是前传接口仍然坚守不开放。
至今仍 ...

不管是oran也好 vran也罢。你不做别人就会抢先。
vdf uk单子就是例子,活生生的被samsung nec拿走了!爱立信也很无奈。

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silverbullet21 发表于 2021-6-22 22:21
首先三毛是2020年底宣布了vRAN或者说cloudRAN的portfolio的。
其次,三毛宣布的这个产品和其三年前的clo ...

  vdf都开始拥抱open ran

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CTUSER  三毛这个不是open ran。他的接口不开放。是虚拟vran.  详情 回复 发表于 2021-6-22 23:05

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silverbullet21 发表于 2021-6-22 22:21
首先三毛是2020年底宣布了vRAN或者说cloudRAN的portfolio的。
其次,三毛宣布的这个产品和其三年前的clo ...


你看内容不?
三毛上代虚拟ran是基于英伟达gpu的,这次要换通用cpu了。根本不是一个东西。
这是今天的新闻。他说的next就是明年底。

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客家人 发表于 2021-6-22 22:52
vdf都开始拥抱open ran

三毛这个不是open ran。他的接口不开放。是虚拟vran.

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